A lot's changed in the last two weeks,
and I want to play you sound from a focus
group of swing voters in Wisconsin run by an organization
called Engages.
It's a group of 12 people.
They all voted for both Trump and Biden in the
past.
So you got 9 independents,
2 Democrats and a Republican.
And they were asked what they feel when they see
the new Democratic nominee,
Kamala Harris, on TV.
I'm happy. I'm enthused, I'm curious,
I want to know a boner about her.
I'm mostly proud, confused, nauseated,
relieved, relief, relief, indifferent, cautiously optimistic.
I 100% agree, cautiously optimistic,
relief. I've liked what she said since.
I mean, I've seen her speak a couple of times
on on the news and on YouTube and I'm,
I'm liking it more and more what she's saying.
The vibes appear to be changing.
Notably, of that group of 12 Wisconsin swing voters,
nine said they would vote for Harris over Trump in
a head to head in a three-way race.
It was 8 to one for Trump.
Harris over Trump with RFK Junior picking up two votes.
I think the one is nauseated,
probably not going to come over.
Mallory Mcmorro is a Democratic state senator in Michigan.
David Hogg is the president of Leaders.
We deserve an organization dedicated to electing young,
progressive candidates, and they join me now.
David, I want to start with you because one of
the things that we covered a lot in the first
part of this campaign when the nominee was Joe Biden
or was likely going to be,
was that there was a divergent between what you might
call the sort of material conditions of the country,
which by a lot of metrics and formulas you might
use to predict.
These things seem to show a country that was doing
pretty well in many what respects and the polling and
the vibes.
And I feel like we've gotten a real time test
of like how much was about vibes and the vibes
have changed a lot.
What do you think?
Look, I think they absolutely have changed for the better.
I think that young people are fired up.
I think for the first time in many Gen.
Z voters lives, they're not just voting against somebody like
Donald Trump.
They're voting for someone, whether that's somebody like Vice President
Kamal Harris and Governor Tim Walz
or whether that's somebody like Katrina Shankland,
who I'm, I'm currently talking to you right now from
a motel in rural Wisconsin where I'm working on a
congressional with a young candidate right now,
you know, working to turn out young people around the
country by giving them other young people to vote for
down the ballot.
We need to make sure people understand this is not
just about
the presidential election. This is also about making sure that
abortion isn't banned in your state.
This is about making sure that you have stronger gun
laws that are passed by your state.
Because we know so much is going to get blocked
by the filibuster in Congress.
But there is a lot of action that's possible at
the state level.
And that's what we're doing at Leaders we deserve.
And for anybody that wants to learn more about that,
they can go to
leaderswedeserve.com to hear more about our candidates and what we're
doing.
Senator Mcmurrow, from your from your perspective in Michigan,
what, what have you seen?
It is night and day from a few weeks ago
to now.
And first of all, I just want to start by
maybe giving Donald Trump a little bit of credit.
I watched his press conference yesterday.
Maybe he confused Montana with Michigan because they are states
that both start with the letter M.
But this is the swing state.
And I can tell you on the ground,
the energy is so infectious.
We saw 15,000 people plus
out in Detroit this week.
There was a Whitney Houston sing along.
I mean, people were just thrilled for hours on end.
We've seen record signups. We've seen people making homemade merchandise.
It is like nothing that I've seen since,
you know, 2008. People are excited and optimistic,
and they want to be a part of choosing joy.
I don't think you can underestimate how powerful it is
to move past grievance and anger and hate and finally
be proud of this country again and what we can
accomplish when we work together.
And that is the vision that Kamala Harris and Tim
Walz are presenting us.
Yeah. And to the extent that we have,
you know, empirical means of,
of measuring this right, small dollar donors,
attendance at rallies, volunteer signups,
like they're all I don't we wouldn't be doing this
segment if none of if this was just some feeling
like you,
you're, you're watching 15 to 20,000 people
at, at a arena in in Glendale,
AZ right now, you know,
shaking their signs and and going crazy.
I also do think there's something
there's politics can be cruel in some ways or or
ironic.
David and I, this stuck out to me that Joe
Biden again to sort of come back to the man's
record as president,
particularly in domestic policy versus his polling
since he dropped out, his approval rating has gone up
five points.
So like nothing has changed in the way he's presidenting
and nothing has changed really objectively and like the material
conditions,
the country, mortgage rates come down a little bit.
But to me, that single number just speaks to the
fact that,
like, there was an issue with him,
his candidacy specifically that that even his own political standing
has increased subsequently.
Yeah, it has. And I think it shows that,
you know, people are very
approving of a statesman. And that's what Joe Biden has
been a public servant his entire life.
You know, it's important to note,
too, He's part of the inspiration for why I created
Leaders We Deserve with Maxwell Frost's campaign manager,
Kevin Lotta. Because I know this is hard for some
viewers to believe,
but President Biden was 29 when he was first elected.
And, you know, if we look at some of the
most successful presidents we've ever had,
whether that's FDR or whether that's LBJ,
they were both 28 years old when they were first
elected to Congress and their state legislature.
And it makes sense, right?
If you start when you're young,
you get a ton of experience.
And I think what voters are doing
in those approval polls is they're seeing Joe Biden for
who he is,
which is a good man that ultimately we knew was
going to make the right decision because he's always going
to put the country before himself.
And that's exactly what he did.
And that's why voters are so fired up now to
see,
you know, Vice President Harris out there getting the full
attention of the media for the first time in,
you know, three years because presidents are often left out
of it.
And now we're also seeing,
you know, Governor Walls out there that many people had
only heard of in the political scene,
but now we're super fired up about.
And young people are more ecstatic,
frankly, than I've ever seen them before because this time,
they're not just voting against Donald Trump.
They're truly voting for somebody,
voting for someone that they believe in.
And that is so, so powerful.
And I know people, they just want,
like was said earlier, they want joy.
We're so tired of the dark moment our country has
been in.
And these young people are part of that.
So if anybody wants help,
they can go to
leaderswedeserve.com. Senator, how linked are the fates of folks in
the,
say, the Michigan State Legislature like yourself,
both the House and the Senate,
which Democrats have majorities in after being shut out of
that for a long time?
There's a back story there to the,
the, the prospects at the top of the ticket to
the,
the, the sort of marquee statewide races.
You know, I think we,
we've always said all politics is local.
But if we've learned anything over the past few cycles,
it's that all politics is also national.
And as hard as our candidates work,
we can't break out of what is happening on the
national level.
So the amount of energy,
the amount of donations, first time donations.
I got a text from my kindergarten teacher who had
never donated to a candidate in her life.
If we can channel that energy and bring it down
to all of our State House candidates who are up
to hold our Democratic majority,
we all win. And we maintain a strong foundation that
ensures that Kamala Harris not only becomes president,
but succeeds once she's in office.
David Hogg and Mallory Mcmorro,
thank you both. Really appreciate it.