Initially, though, you you wanted an open process.
You don't want not you didn't endorse Kamala.
You wanted an open process despite knowing her very well
from San Francisco.
Do you think now when you look back on it,
that it was a mistake in progress?
No, it wasn't.
Anybody could have gotten in.
She got in and she won.
And a president of the United States had endorsed her
who was very respected.
So that meant a lot.
But people don't understand other people could have gotten in.
She just lost politically astute.
As I said to you before, she worked the phone.
So I, I, I was one of the earlier endorsers
of any of the of the leaders right within 2012.