Alright, we have an update.
We've been reporting about Donald Trump suing various media organizations,
and we mentioned the Des Moines Register and its top
pollster, JN Seltzer.
He is suing for brazen election interference and fraud over
its final 2024 presidential poll showing Vice President Kamala Harris
leading in Iowa.
So we're finding out the lawsuit was filed.
Actually, it was filed.
So Jay, you are, I play a dumb country lawyer
on TV.
You are a great city lawyer in real life.
Sometimes I don't.
I don't.
My billable hour.
Mika told me I would.
Mika told me I was too dismissive.
She thought, well, no.
I just think the overall you shouldn't say that CBS
is going to win their lawsuit.
The 60 minutes thing, it does seem pretty obvious, but
right here we are now talking about a lawsuit for
every pollster that gets something wrong.
I mean, I, I just you tell me is there
a judge in Iowa or in America that is going
to allow that to get past summary judgment for election?
And my honest answer, Joe is possibly depends on who
appointed that judge.
Frankly, we all know about forum shopping.
For example, in the immigration space, pro enforcement lawsuits are
brought in the Brownsville Division of the District of Texas,
and pro immigration reform, pro migrant lawsuits are brought in
the Northern District of California or the Eastern District of
New York.
What's the chances for success?
Ultimately, of a law ultimately suing a pollster, 0 should
be 0 should be less than 0 and, and, and,
and.
So again, I understand we had the conversation last hour.
The ideas.
Make yourself a Big Bear and and scare off all
the press.
But that stops working when you lose lawsuit after lawsuit
after lawsuit after lawsuit.
And I'm sorry, not my expertise, but anybody here thinks
that and Seltzer or the Des Moines Register's going to
ultimately lose on this?
I yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'd like to see the betting markets on that.
Also the same thing with CBS.
You sue CBS because you don't like how they edit
an interview.
These are these are going to be.
So once they're going to be unsuccessful.
So the question is at what point do you start
showing that they're just frivolous and the press, the the,
the press can just dismiss them.
If it's a, if it's about win loss record on
the lawsuits, Trump is going to lose these.
And you could argue, well, that's a necessary distraction.
He's using time and energy on that.
But I think the real point here is to intimidate
going further.
Yes, there are deep pocketed news organizations that will that
will fight these and pay the legal bills.
Individual reporters, smaller outlets might not be able to or
they get tied up in court.
These suits drag on for a long time and they
become a drain of resources, distraction.
And it make you think twice about following through on
the reporting.
I mean, I think that's that's the point here.
He's not going to win this whole link.
Yeah, he's not going to.
Wait.
What's he supposed to stop people from taking polls in
the future?
He polls that he doesn't.
Polls he doesn't like.
Yeah.
Polls that he doesn't like in an election he won,
he swept through the he swept through the battlegrounds in
the in this side this lawsuit, he said this poll
or his attorney said this poll was not a miss,
which it clearly was.
She had Kamala Harris up three points.
Trump won by 13 points.
Huge miss said it wasn't a miss.
It was an attempt at election interference to create energy
and momentum around Kamala Harris heading into Election Day.
That don't know how that holds.
Like here's something Donald Trump knows.
He knows that the the fact of the filing of
the complaint will get more press attention than the resolution
of that lawsuit.
That lawsuit ought to be kicked on a motion to
dismiss like that.
Exactly.
So why don't stop talking?
That won't get nearly as big as splash.
Yes.
Let's go back to immigration.
Thank you.