WEBVTT NOTE recognizability 0.942 NOTE language en-us 00:00:00.050 --> 00:00:02.570 Joining us now former secretary of state and retired 00:00:02.570 --> 00:00:07.470 four star general colin powell secretary powell good morning to you sir. 00:00:07.470 --> 00:00:11.920 Good morning how are you this morning I'm very well, you know, we're so glad to have your perspective 00:00:11.920 --> 00:00:15.790 ...former secretary of state you're a general, you know, better than 00:00:15.790 --> 00:00:20.630 anyone the powers that the president has at his disposal how concerned are you 00:00:20.630 --> 00:00:24.550 ...final twelve days. 00:00:24.550 --> 00:00:29.490 I think they will unfold and twelve days from now he'll be out normally 00:00:29.490 --> 00:00:33.750 but those who are suggesting impeachment or the article 00:00:33.750 --> 00:00:39.680 ...twenty fifth amendment that it's time-consuming I wish she would just do 00:00:39.680 --> 00:00:44.480 it nixon did in that step down somebody...up there until it's over planes waiting for 00:00:44.480 --> 00:00:48.410 you you're out that way he would not only step down he would 00:00:48.410 --> 00:00:53.250 in addition sort of cut the guts out from underneath this group of. 00:00:53.250 --> 00:00:55.590 People who has working form. 00:00:55.590 --> 00:00:59.850 What is responsible for is one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen 00:00:59.850 --> 00:01:03.590 and all my years as a government employee here in the united states of america 00:01:03.590 --> 00:01:07.710 ...washington dc you should be totally ashamed of himself and 00:01:07.710 --> 00:01:12.010 he should take that shame and turn into a resignation as 00:01:12.010 --> 00:01:16.440 quickly as possible, you know, there are reports chuck todd was reporting about a 00:01:16.440 --> 00:01:21.090 little earlier that some former officials have called over to the white 00:01:21.090 --> 00:01:26.040 house and said to the national security officials those are in the cabinet with national security 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:30.350 ...positions and saying please don't resign, you know, we've seen cabinet members have 00:01:30.350 --> 00:01:35.230 resigned education secretary transportation secretary is that how you feel are 00:01:35.230 --> 00:01:42.010 you hoping that those national security officials hold on for the last twelve days? 00:01:42.010 --> 00:01:44.690 I'm not sure who they arewhich ones were talking 00:01:44.690 --> 00:01:49.020 about I want to see the president stepped down and there's enough of a government 00:01:49.020 --> 00:01:53.910 remaining an official remaining to run it and we have a vice president who could take over 00:01:53.910 --> 00:01:57.750 ...the actual days but right now I think it's important that the 00:01:57.750 --> 00:02:02.350 president stepped down and if he steps down then I think...start to see all of these 00:02:02.350 --> 00:02:07.130 idiots who came out and did what they did two days ago beginning to step down because they no 00:02:07.130 --> 00:02:12.060 longer have a leader we have to face reality as a president has been a charge of this has been 00:02:12.060 --> 00:02:16.780 the leader he has encourage them at every step and that's brought us to this horrible 00:02:16.780 --> 00:02:22.190 situation I also am deeply troubled by the poor planning that went into 00:02:22.190 --> 00:02:27.110 getting ready for this operation and I want to get to that but before we leave the first topic because 00:02:27.110 --> 00:02:31.600 I...of want to turn to that first question if he doesn't resign I understand your position 00:02:31.600 --> 00:02:35.650 he should just go but if he doesn't he does have twelve days and 00:02:35.650 --> 00:02:40.640 he has incredible powers including the nuclear codes and not to be an alarmist but I mean is 00:02:40.640 --> 00:02:45.550 there anything that concerns you about that given the behavior and 00:02:45.550 --> 00:02:48.790 ...we have seen? 00:02:48.790 --> 00:02:49.190 No, 00:02:49.190 --> 00:02:53.830 not really but I can never tell what this man is going to do we've seen in these crazy things but 00:02:53.830 --> 00:02:57.450 let's not start dragging out things like nuclear code. 00:02:57.450 --> 00:03:01.160 Was chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and I can tell you for sure. 00:03:01.160 --> 00:03:03.310 That if something like this ever happened and someone 00:03:03.310 --> 00:03:09.940 suddenly said here we want to use a nuclear weapon and they would never get near it. 00:03:09.940 --> 00:03:12.570 Let's talk about the security failure that you raise 00:03:12.570 --> 00:03:16.800 it the investigations will go on and we'll see what happened but on its 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:21.160 ...when you have throngs of people who are able to penetrate the 00:03:21.160 --> 00:03:26.080 united states congress at the very moment the vice president is there and they're performing a 00:03:26.080 --> 00:03:30.940 ...constitutional duty you have a security failure what went wrong in your mind 00:03:30.940 --> 00:03:34.560 what concerns you about this. 00:03:34.560 --> 00:03:38.970 I talked to some people and it seems like there was not a clear. 00:03:38.970 --> 00:03:42.790 Line of controller command and who's in charge of it all I 00:03:42.790 --> 00:03:46.190 ...was somebody who is not a military officer or 00:03:46.190 --> 00:03:51.650 an intelligent person but somebody was a civilian and I think the justice 00:03:51.650 --> 00:03:55.020 ...something like that and that's not what we needed we 00:03:55.020 --> 00:03:59.220 needed strong leadership somebody who knew what to do 00:03:59.220 --> 00:04:03.720 to understood the forces available to them and then do something about it I 00:04:03.720 --> 00:04:08.100 kind of scene when the crowd started to build that we needed to 00:04:08.100 --> 00:04:11.350 call and the national guard and others...and not wait for 00:04:11.350 --> 00:04:15.900 one another waiting for and I still don't understand how they could stay up 00:04:15.900 --> 00:04:20.380 on the landing on the patio for hours? 00:04:20.380 --> 00:04:25.800 I know now that was because we're trying to clear inside the government building inside the capitol and when I 00:04:25.800 --> 00:04:30.390 later saw images of inside the capitol with the mobs which is moving around as 00:04:30.390 --> 00:04:35.260 they chose I could see why they had the problem but they shouldn't have that problem 00:04:35.260 --> 00:04:40.320 ...was enough warning coming that they should have known what was coming...jump in here but, you know, 00:04:40.320 --> 00:04:44.460 many americans look at that and the fact that those rioters were 00:04:44.460 --> 00:04:49.020 allowed to have their way with the capitol building for a period of several hours posing for pictures but 00:04:49.020 --> 00:04:52.240 ...feet up on the speaker's desk michelle obama 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:56.850 ...former first lady put out a statement and she was really blunt about it one of the 00:04:56.850 --> 00:05:01.740 things she said was the gulf between the responses to yesterday's riot and this 00:05:01.740 --> 00:05:06.690 summer's peaceful protests and the larger movement for racial justice is so painful it 00:05:06.690 --> 00:05:11.010 ...I mean she came right out and set it if these had been 00:05:11.010 --> 00:05:17.830 ...black lives matters protesters...have a different story do you agree? 00:05:17.830 --> 00:05:21.140 I don't know I'm not a mind reader I'm worried about what 00:05:21.140 --> 00:05:25.830 happened two days ago and, let's I would not spend time trying to 00:05:25.830 --> 00:05:31.300 compare the two let's stick with the problem we have right now and that the 00:05:31.300 --> 00:05:35.810 folks who went into our capital two days ago and I feel for black 00:05:35.810 --> 00:05:40.560 lies matter and I'm not sure that it was handled as well as it might have been but we know darn well that this 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:46.090 was not handle as it could have been...have been should have been and, finally sir I mean you 00:05:46.090 --> 00:05:51.300 are former secretary of state you know-how important america is not just his image but 00:05:51.300 --> 00:05:57.240 it's actual importance around the world what message do you think 00:05:57.240 --> 00:06:03.690 what happened on wednesday has sent to our adversaries and how concerned are you about that? 00:06:03.690 --> 00:06:07.750 It was a terrible message that was sent to our adversaries and more importantly was 00:06:07.750 --> 00:06:12.410 sent to our friends and allies I think it's irreparable we can-we can work on 00:06:12.410 --> 00:06:16.960 manage fix it because we have a new team coming in we have a new president coming 00:06:16.960 --> 00:06:21.870 and joe biden who I've known for decades and I think has a better understanding of diplomacy 00:06:21.870 --> 00:06:25.180 in a better understanding of reaching out and speaks with a 00:06:25.180 --> 00:06:30.250 ...normal tone and not the kind of tone that president who 00:06:30.250 --> 00:06:35.160 is about to leave office used to speak all the time insulting people constantly insulting people 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:39.790 our allies getting rid of agreements that made sense just because you wanted to do 00:06:39.790 --> 00:06:44.730 ...never any discussion about it that's on its way out in thirteen days or before 00:06:44.730 --> 00:06:49.500 if congress can figure out a way to make it before but thirteen days is what I see all 00:06:49.500 --> 00:06:52.330 right secretary colin powell it's good to see a good to have 00:06:52.330 --> 00:06:55.660 ...perspective thank you very much...again there?