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For the max face the nation we want to go now to governor

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asa hutchinson of arkansas who is also the vice chair of the national guard that

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national governors association he joins us from little rock a morning to you governor.

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Good morning barbara good to be with you I'm glad we have you today to talk about

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the vaccine and distribution I want to quickly ask you something though on the political

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front as a republican nearly a quarter of senate republicans say

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they have concerns about voter integrity and plan on wednesday to challenge joe

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biden electoral college win this is to

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be very clear all but certain to fail in terms of changing the outcome of the

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...but other republican center

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say this is destructive to do in the first-place where you stand.

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Well, it's...process that they have the right to

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initiate I think it's a little bit of a don kyoto the gaussian at

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...males efforts I think it is designed it certainly

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will fail joe biden is our president elected he'll be confirmed

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in that capacity I do think...from a state

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perspective the challenges have been initiated through recount

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same court challenges and that's how we work in our electoral college

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state-by-state so when it gets to congress is really a limited opportunity

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to review of the intricacies of the election process we should

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have confidence in what has been done and the reviews and the recounts

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and let's all recognize that while the system is not perfect

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it worked state-by-state and we should accept those results and move on

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to do some good things for our country so I understand you do not support that effort thank you

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...your clarification their governor I want to move on to the

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virus the cdc says arkansas has only distributed a third of the vaccines that you

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have been given what's the biggest challenge getting the doses into arms.

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Well, the number of challenges and, we've got to do better both...the federal land at the

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state-level...one of the challenges is that we have a limited supply

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and when you have a limited supply?

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That means you've got to prioritize and you've got to make sure you're given

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it to those with the greatest needs are those are the greatest risk and that's a challenge in

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...of itself secondly you do have some reluctance and that

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creates some complications we're focusing on our long-term care

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facilities and that has to have consensus in many instances

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and that slows up the process but even with fat we have to do better

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we have to act with a sense of urgency and,

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we can do that we have to learn whenever you're in a battle that you have

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to adjust to the circumstances of that battle and right now we're going

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to have to make some adjustments in the plan to get these vaccines out what you heard the head of

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operation works feeds say that they were working under the assumption that there is a plan

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in place to immunize at the state-level was there not a plan in arkansas

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...that seems to be the implication here...it is the governors who are dropping the ball.

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The other

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hand there is a plan and that plan has been coordinated at the federal level but let

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me lay it out for you and phase one we're supposed to be doing our health

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care workers and we're doing our long-term care facilities residences staff

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the federal government allocates that based on where we wanted to go with

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the working through the pharmacies and they made a contract with walgreens and

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...cbs two major chain pharmacies but the states can are

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the local long-term care facilities can opt out sixty percent of ours

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opted out for independent pharmacies they're doing a better job of getting it out

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than the chain pharmacies are acting with more urgency

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so that's an example of where I've learned that whenever you look now

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at the challenges with a specific population what is going to be like we

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move to essential workers and whenever we...the general population we're going

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to have to utilize more resources to get this out...we've got

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...right now what are the other states told you is there difficulty is

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that all the same that you're laying out the problems of the nursing homes.

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Yes, it is the challenge of the work staff the fact that we

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don't have enough right now for nurses we have to utilize

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our pharmacies because they have the capability and relationships to get it out but

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we're going to have to look more broadly.

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At how to utilize more resources whether it is a

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utilizing medical personnel that's already strained in terms of our national

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guardwhether it is bringing on pharmaceutical students that

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can do more in terms of given these vaccinations that we've got increase

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the capacity of our human resources you have the world's largest

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retailer headquartered in your home state a massive logistics have you...walmart to help you out?

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A walmart is ready to help visiting that...prime is aware that this...

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The private-sector is varying days a private-sector is doing it both the

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independent pharmacies as well as the chain pharmacies so the

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...ankle...never nurses you.

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The federal government is giving directly to the

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...all we're doing as a state is telling where it goes

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in allocated by delivery is directly to the private-sector and

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they'regetting it out but not as fast as we would like so

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it's a partnership and you're going to see these numbers increase dramatically

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in the next week ten days I believe by the end of january you'll have all of

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one a vaccinated and will be move on...essential workers if not sooner than

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that okay I...that because the head of operation...said allocation came down to what the

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governors ask for where they told them to send it so it just continues to be

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...wrong here so, on the federal guidance out now...is say in the same thing

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margaret saying the same thing we're allocating where it goes they

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...to where we say microsoft to the private-sector right now ok the federal government

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right now is telling states to prioritize people seventy five-years-old and up along with

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front-line workers...state governors florida texas who have

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move the age of qualification downwards right to hit more of

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their elderly population are you going to do that we're going to stick with the federal government telling detail?

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We're looking at reducing their to seventy as well the

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argument that it should be allocated seventy five and,

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up first is because there's a limited supply it might be easier for you to

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distribute it and know exactly who you're distributed...but this seventy and,

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population we're looking at...trying to save lives

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getting into the most vulnerable first so we're still looking at that as to where

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...should be lowered that decision will be forthcoming so you may endorse what governors added

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...de santos are doing.

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We're looking at that and it may happenwe're also looking at some other

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modifications to the recommendation the cdc which is simply recommendations to the

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governor's okay governor hutchison thank you very much and good luck to you

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thank you order will be right back...former fda commissioner...that leaves stay with us.

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We want to go and...a former fda commissioner doctor stuck

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...leave he's also on the board that pfizer he joins us from westport connecticut good morning to you.

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For you said january is going to be the hardest month I'm looking at

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this slower than expected roll-out

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and this new strain of corona virus does all this come together to

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mean that the peak will be extended that this is going to be painful for a longer period.

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It's possible you know, we were hoping that we have more injections and people's arms at this

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point in the vaccine could be starting to have an impact on a trajectory of the epidemic

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in the new variant certainly creates more risk that this epidemic

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p could get extended we're going to see the epidemic probably peek at some point this

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month hopefully earlier in the month I mean that was the original estimates the original modeling but

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the lag in terms of the effect on health care system is going to be about three weeks so the health

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care systems not going to see maximal resource utilization toll closer to the end of the

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month and that's more likely to see the peak number of deaths on a daily basis as well so we

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still have a ways to go with this current surge of this epidemic until we start to see cases

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decline hospitalization start to decline and hopefully...start to decline a new variant does

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...of risk however that we start to see accelerated spread what new risks doctor

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slide we said that it seems the vaccines do work

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against it what risks are you seeing.

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Well, we're not vaccinating quickly enough to create a back stop against the spread of this new variant right

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now there's some estimates that new variant probably represents about one percent of all infections in

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this country by march it's going to be the majority of infections is going to grow quickly so one

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of the real key to controlling this new variant is to control the epidemic that means doing the

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things that we've been doing mask wearing social distancing but also means getting more people

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vaccine quickly I think that the existence of this new variant

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of spreads more readily really creates more urgency around trying to get this vaccine out

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more quickly and get more people vaccinated even if it's

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more general population there's a lot of excess demand for the vaccine right now particularly in

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the elderly population I think we ought to think about moving quickly through these phases that we've

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delineated and move more quickly into a general vaccination program for those sixty five and

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above I thought was interesting governor hutchinson sort of

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...into that concept saying they were looking at what the governors of florida and texas have done

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of making this available to other

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age populations at this point would you ask of other governors to

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do that because governor de santos was really kind ofhit hard

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by images of long lines of older people waiting it didn't seem to be

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moving quickly in terms of vaccinations though he widened the number of people qualify for it?

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Well, I think we can have a dual strategy here we contained prioritize certain hard to reach communities and

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have public health departments focus on that mission...uniquely skill to do that mission

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...make the vaccine more generally available through the retail pharmacies to walmart and

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walgreens and cds to a broader population to a general population starting with

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page we can walk down the age continue make it available for seventy five and above first in seventy above

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...sixty five and above this fifty million americans sixty five and above a large percentage

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...probably want to be vaccinated at some point we need to allow supply to meet

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demand here and get...the shots into the arms of the people who really want to get vaccinated

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...going to go out and seek out the vaccination if we're pushing it...the retail pharmacies you're not going to see

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the long lines they're going to have a scheduling system in place and it's going to be a more orderly distribution and

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...commensurate with that we can have the public health departments focusing on critical mission of

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going into homes reaching harder to access communities people who are more reluctant and

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...little bit more encouragement to get vaccinated that's some place with a public health establishment can

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really focus on a discernible mission explain that because

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you have operation warp speed saying it is working with the private-sector you had the...with

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the governor of arkansas saying they are working with the private-sector are you saying that

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the private-sector should just take it over at this point?

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Well, look, we've we have forty million vaccines that were delivered in december five

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million were injected into arms at thirty five million vaccine sitting on a shelf somewhere I'm saying that we

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can be delivering these vaccines directly to walmart...new jersey

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they're shipping them through shop right and allow these retail establishments to start opening up

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more general vaccination programs for the broader public instead of working very slowly

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through these preordained phases that we've articulated continued to

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accomplish that mission because it's important but also take some of this excess supply and push it

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through a retail channel to the general public if someone

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we seven-years-old or sixty five-years-old wants...schedule an

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appointment cbs to get a vaccination they should be able to do that this month so I think we should

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start working through the age brackets and just work our way down...work of some of

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...there's more vexing coming on the market every day we're going to

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have significant backlog right now or,

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you know,...inventories of vaccines and that's tragic because these could be accomplishing

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important public health purpose right it looks operation works speeds

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...stockpiling half more than half of the supply that they have

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what about vaccine hesitancy the governor of ohio said sixty percent of nursing home

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staff members offer the vaccine in his state declined it you're seeing

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similar hesitancy elsewhere these are medical personnel and healthcare staff?

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Yeah, but, that's another reason to be making this more generally accessible it is a reality that

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some people aren't going to want to get backs nato...to be reluctant to get vaccine is going to take more work there's about a

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hundred fifty million americans get back safer flew each year about sixty million or under the age

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of fifteen that's about ninety million people who get vaccinated for...I think that's your low-hanging fruit

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forgetting covert vaccinations out some high proportion of people get a flu vaccine are also going to

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get code vaccine if we just simply make this generally accessible to sixty five

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above this month that's fifty million americans probably about thirty million of them will take it that's

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your low-hanging fruit that's the pent-up demand we need to start working that off because trying to push

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it into...discrete populations

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you're going to be bumping up against people who don't want it and it's going to create friction it's going to create

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a slowdown in trying to get this vaccination...we need to get more people vaccine quickly

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recognized that every vaccination at this point really is a public health win all right doctor

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godly thank you for your analysis.

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Will be back in a moment?

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We turn now to join jenkins she's

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the ceo of the american association of retired persons, you know,

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...is aarp changes that...headquarters in washington this morning good morning to you

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...way margaret december was a

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very deadly month during this pandemonium particularly for nursing home

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residents the federal government plan is to have pharmacies like cds and

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walgreen setup clinics to vaccinate inside of these facilities

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...it started about thirty six stage just this past week is it moving fast enough well I

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think by every...questionable that it has not move fast enough that,

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you know, forty percent of the people who have died in this country live in nursing

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homes so we see this really as an unconscionable national disaster

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that three hundred fifty thousand people in this country has died from

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...nineteen and forty percent of them have lived in nursing homes or work

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in nursing homes and yet they only represent one percent of the population

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so no we're not moving fast enough I didn't hear a lot of specifics from

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the governor or from the head of operation were speed on what they want to change

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and I'm wondering from you what your view is because we did hear earlier in the week from

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operation warp speed saying that some nursing homes aren't vaccinating until

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they have enough doses for everyone

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in the facility that's a federal requirement should the government suspended.

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I think that,... if you look at the data and the fact that that's where people are dying

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you have to come to the conclusion that they should be doing everything that they can to be at mit

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are string this vaccine as soon as possible I know that

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...two-point-two million doses that have gone out to nursing homes and yet

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only thirteen percent of that has been administered so we have to find a solution and,

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you know, we need to stop pointing fingers and that and you know,

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looking at who and who's to blame and really all of us whether it's

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mayors are governors or the federal or

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governors all across this country to really try to fix this problem so that...yes they should

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...that requirement absolutely yes at the state-level you heard

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a debate about whether the age qualification should be

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lowered more quickly like it has been in texas and in florida would you ask

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other governors to do that well I think if you look at the data of where people are dying

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and if in fact we can stop people from dying of kobe we know that will

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offer some relief to the hospitals all across this country we have examples that

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...from thousands of our members particularly like those in

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florida who are standing in lines of three four hundred of them

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it three and four o'clock in the morning trying to get that vaccination I think that we

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have to really solve this issue and really come together show that there is

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some standard for which the states and the localnursing homes know-how they're going

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to get this vaccine and what is your supposed to be doing there's confusion I mean I know people who do

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...where...sign-out when I qualify what do you tell your members do they call

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the doctor do they get an email who they ask their local health department?

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Well, I think one of the things that we tried to do it aarp is, you know,

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we have a repeat...are slash corona...where we're listing

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everything that we have from the states about what how the vaccine the priorities

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...of the states how they're going to be to get their vaccinations clearly we're

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...directly from our members at their confused about whether or not they should be

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calling their physician whether or not someone's going to contact them which of the

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vaccine should they be trying to take if they live in rule...urban city just how that's going to

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happen and I think that there could be some simple clarity and transparency

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about what is to be expected the time frame that individuals all

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across this country should be thinking about clearly we need to keep up the protections of

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...masking washing our hands and doing all those things we should let our guard down but,

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there needs to be further clarity about and, expectations said about

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win this vaccines are going to be the administrator widely do you think that staff

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a nursing home should be mandated to take the vaccine?

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Well, I think that the data tells us that that's where the desks or occurring and

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that for patients and people who work in nursing homes they need to

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be protected in a way but clearly it's not it's not ours to the update of the

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...would have to mandate that right is that what you're asking governors to do well I think that we're say to the

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governor said that this is a way to bring it under control and that while

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...a...don't have the authority to mandate this

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that this is one of the one of the only ways that we had that we know that this particular

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code nineteen disease can be brought under control it may come down to

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...jenkins thank you very much

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...for sharing what you're seeing out there will be right back with a

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look at tuesday's georgia senate race it's an important one don't go away.

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In georgia a pair of runoff elections on tuesday

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will decide control of the us senate and shape the agenda of the incoming

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by the administration here's our senior national correspondent mark stress

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Republicans have a new year's resolution keep george...bred as

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it's clay we have to hold the line here against socialism

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...job to get out and in dual runners year of republican senators kelly love

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...and david purdue both lose democrats will seize control of

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the senate it would be a fifty split with vice president-elect comma harris

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breaking any type of the whole country is watching georgia voters to

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see what we will do at this historic moment democrats john us off and

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...fail worn out each of raise more than one hundred million dollars for the last

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two months there blitz creek of ads called both republicans and corrupt

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...them learn as you can produce.

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Ourselves as.

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More than three million georgians have already voted seven lines almost four

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hours-long.

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The wild card president

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drums groundless griping about election fraud here and its impact

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on republican turnout this tuesday I don't...over the weekend the president tweety

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george's run us were illegal and invalid billboards urge resentful republican

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...stay home in a moment when state and national gop leaders need those

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voters to turn out my family my...nation.

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Our way of life depends upon you president trump ahold of run-off rally in

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north georgia tomorrow but many republicans here worry it could

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do more harm than good in dueling last-minute rallies president trump

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and president-elect biden we'll both campaign in georgia tomorrow senator david

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purdue will likely miss his stage time

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with mr trump purdue is quarantining after being exposed to a staffer with

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covert so far he's tested negative

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margaret mark thanks and as our new senior national correspondent

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mark will continue to report regularly for us here at face the nation that's it

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for us today thank you for watching until next week I'm margaret...