It is official. President Biden supposedly,
and Donald Trump will meet face to face for the
first time in almost four years.
The candidates agreed to two debates,
one with ABC and one with CNN.
The 1st is just over one month away.
Well, our nightcap is here.
Michael, what are your thoughts?
Because both guys are saying,
like, I got him, what do you think of this
whole thing?
Because I'm going to tell you,
I I got you babe.
Do not believe Donald Trump is actually going to show
up.
So I'm with you. I agree 100%.
I don't think Donald Trump is going to debate at
all.
There's no incentive for him to do it
from his perspective, really, because he,
he already thinks that this election is going to be
rigged against him.
So why bother? He doesn't want to talk about policy,
doesn't want to talk about policy.
But to the Biden team,
I give kudos and props because it threw everybody yesterday,
as we like to say,
everybody for right. Threw them all.
Threw them all off, right.
He went full from the Washington press corps to to
you know the political class.
Everybody was sitting there going what?
And it became the conversation and and the Biden team
team owned it.
Trump team owned a bit of it too in terms
of how they would come back into it.
But I thought it was a good move for the
president to go.
You know I'm ready. You know I hear you got
Wednesday's off you know
bam. And it was the perfect tweet
of of Trump to respond.
And what I what I heard a little bit of
birds,
birds sort of chattering about was
there team was a little bit upset because Trump
took the bait right out of the gate and said
absolutely,
well let's do this. And they're like wait time,
do you know they're talking about no audience time out.
You know they're going to be cutting off your mic.
And so when they look back at the rules,
that's going to be the slide out the side door.
OK. But but but Nancy I believe that Trump jumped
in and said yes I'm going to do it because
for Trump
he he also changed the media narrative.
He created a new story this week that didn't involve
us talking about criminal defendant Trump.
Suddenly he was candidate Trump again and could he be
victorious.
That's a big win for him.
He doesn't have to he doesn't even have to address
now whether or not he's going to debate because he's
going to find an exit strategy force.
We know he took the bait and he did shift
the strategy from people talking about the criminal case to
that
I number one he's a coward.
So I think, but I think if he said he's
going to and then doesn't he'll look even more foolish.
But he's done that. I know he has.
I'm
just saying this but, but but I would hope there
are no audiences in these debates because in a way
I was hoping there would be because I wanted the
Biden people to bring the Central Park 5 and put
them in the front row of the audience,
just like Trump put all of those women in the
audience to distract Hillary Clinton.
Because I think that they should hammer things like that
when it comes to Trump,
bring that stuff up. That Trump,
even after those young men were found innocent,
still wanted the death penalty for them.
This needs to be brought on.
You think that's going to change somebody?
I'm not saying it's not reprehensible,
but do you actually think that's going to change somebody's
vote this year?
You know what? It starts a conversation where they need
it.
And you know what? It helps me.
It helps
my mental black men need to understand their brother wanted
to hang our own.
I know the black men when they were found innocent.
Exactly. The black men that might.
So you going to support because they're coming for you
next.
They both show up for debate.
Is this an opportunity for Joe Biden to dispel this
idea that yes,
they're both old, but Joe is sort of a weak,
feeble one because that's what people like to say.
Oh, but Trump, I know,
I know they're both old,
but he's kind of big and strong.
If these guys are standing shoulder to shoulder,
that's an opportunity for President Biden,
is it not? Absolutely. He is the sitting president.
It's interesting that they're they're both presidents.
Usually you don't have that in a
debate, right? They both have been presidents.
But he. I do think it's a big opportunity for
him.
The first one's in June,
so it's before the convention.
So it also just gets his,
his
voice out there in in a format that he's proven
to be pretty good at.
And I think, you know,
he can remind people of some basic facts like,
hey, Democrats are here to try to protect your remaining
abortion rights.
You know, I mean, because there's a lot of,
let's say, misunderstanding that still persists in our culture about
who's responsible for what.
And I think that Democrats,
Democrats have been running well on issues around reproductive rights,
for example. And you know,
the
the economy under Biden has not been a trash fire.
And he needs to remind people of that.
And I feel like this is a forum for him
to do it.
Not the convention, but an actual debate.
He needs to remind people that the borders haven't been
open.
And last I checked, he just tried to do something
on immigration with support from both parties until Donald Trump
stopped that.
I want to share this week something Senator Mitt Romney
said.
I had a chance to interview him.
Watch this.
I think President Biden made an enormous error.
He should have fought like crazy to keep this prosecution
from going forward.
It was a win win for Donald Trump.
Had I been President Biden
when the Justice Department brought out indictments,
I would have immediately pardoned him.
I had to pardon President Trump.
Andrew that is principled decent voice of reason Republican Mitt
Romney
saying Joe Biden should have pressured the DOJ and ignored
the rule of law.
What what are what are we looking at here.
I'm surprised by that. I mean I I'm not the
political you know person.
You do know the rule of law.
Exactly.
Exactly. So for the rule of law by the way
I love that we're talking about will he show up
for the debate And by the way this is the
Friday before we will hear on Monday whether he's going
to take the stand.
And I think what I'm hearing is he's not going
to debate and he's not going to take the stand.
So like basically it's like I want no accountability.
Like, I'm just going to spin the
president of the United States,
the current president of the United States has completely the
right way of dealing with the Department of Justice.
It, you know, we can deal with whether we think
the Department of Justice is acted
properly, sufficiently, etcetera. But the one thing that that you
have to have for a democracy is it's got to
be independent.
You do not want the president sitting there saying this
is who you prosecute and this is you don't prosecute,
which is exactly what Donald Trump was doing.
You have to weigh in on Romney's comments.
You know this man. Yes.
And admire him greatly and was disappointed in that because
history has told us how it how presidents fare when
they pardon a former president.
And that's one of the reasons why
Mr. Ford did not have a first term
right. And and so the reality of it is the
country does not look as kindly on that as we
pretend to think that we do.
And I think that if,
particularly given the character and the nature of this particular
criminal defendant,
that if Joe Biden had,
pardon him, that they would have really
taken a blow to Andrew's point,
to this idea, the rule of law.
That at no point in time,
under any circumstance whatsoever or any particular fact pattern,
will a president of the United States be held accountable
for their action.
And that is the worst possible signal to send from
any sitting president.