Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino, along with Judge Jeanine Pirro,
Richard Fowler, Jesse Watters and Greg Gutfeld.
It's 5:00 in New York City,
and this is the five.
The White House is the person of the
group. Whatever. They're the one trying this case
you heard it was doing all the talking
Representative
from the White House
just recently.
This is all about Biden can't campaign so he's trying
to injure his opponent.
They're trying to hurt the opponent because they can't win
at fair and square.
It's law fair. There are a lot of terms for
it.
It's a third world country way of campaigning.
Such a disgrace. So sad to see what's happened to
our country.
Our country's going to help the Biden
Donald Trump sounding off moments ago as his hush money
criminal trial enters its final phase.
Court is over for the day.
The judge says he will make every effort to get
the jury charges to the both of the teams by
the end of the day on Thursday.
So they have four day weekend for to prepare their
summations.
Both sides have arrested their cases and the former president
will not take the stand 8 days from now.
On Tuesday, closing arguments begin,
and that is into that deliberation room,
which could come as soon as Wednesday.
The trials end game not coming without some serious fireworks
rocking the court,
the judge clearing out the room to dress down and
reprimand defense witness Bob Costello,
a former Michael Cohen legal adviser,
allegedly for making comments under his breath,
rolling his eyes. And Costello says Cohen is full of
it and light on the stand about what Trump knew
about the stormy payments.
And today, the prosecutors tried to poke holes in his
testimony.
And Speaking of Bragg star witness Michael Cohen admitting he
stole
$60,000 from the Trump Organization.
The media doesn't see that as a big deal,
though.
I've watched Michael interact with a lot of people over
the years.
He has this.
He has all those rough edges and all the lies,
all this, but there's something compelling about him.
At the same time, You kind of believe it,
warts and all that. Michael Cohen,
of course, has a
checkered past, but we see convictions all the time with
cooperators who have far worse histories,
contract killers, mobsters. And yet you get convictions.
The defense may think they racked up a big victory
for themselves today.
Now, pocketing 30 grand might be shady,
but it doesn't change the facts of the case.
Trey Gowdy was inside that courtroom.
He joins us here at the table to break it
all down.
Was it good to be back in court?
It was. I got a headache,
just like I did in the old days.
Is it? I I I loved being in there.
But I felt powerless. When when you're an observer and
you
want to whisper something, particularly the you know the judge's
rulings,
his strike zone was a little bit different from the
prosecution and the defense
wanted to wanted to get involved.
Of course I was a prosecutor,
not a defense attorney but I thought the strike zone
was was really,
really small for for the defense team
and it got smaller as the day went on.
OK. Judge Jeanine, what do you think of the timing
that we have,
like the jury not going to get this until next
week?
I'm really flabbergasted by that.
Well, I am as well.
I mean, and just the idea that they're going to
this judge is going to charge the jury on Tuesday
and then they start to liberating on Wednesday.
No, let me tell you how it goes.
In a real courtroom, I don't know where this Michonne
is from.
But in a real courtroom,
what happens is as soon as the parties
finish presenting their cases, if the defense chooses to put
on one.
And we know they don't have to.
The judge has. He calls them in for
a jury charge conference and then he tells him go
right into summations.
And I personally would have my court clerk get
everyone's name and phone number
of the person they want to call to say they're
not coming home tonight.
Because if I'm coming close to the end of the
case,
I tell him you bring a toothbrush and a change
of clothes.
I don't know if I'm keeping it tonight,
but chances are I might.
And then my court clerk will call your wife,
your girlfriend, your lover, who A significant other,
whoever it might be, and we're going to move this
case along.
I want those jurors in that deliberation room as close
as possible to the evidence,
and this is just prolonging it.
That feeds right into the belief that they're just trying
to keep Trump off the campaign trail.
But I think even more stunning about all this is
that when we were listening to what they were saying
on those other networks,
they were saying that we see convictions all the time
in cases we see killers.
Well, I think that Trey would agree with me that
the essence of an incredible witness is a witness who
lies is a witness who cheats and steals a killer
in the sense of credibility may be more credible than
a thief,
than someone who purges himself.
These people don't know the first thing about the law,
and yet they're saying, you know,
this case is great. There is no case.
No crime has been proven.
I don't even know what the what the felony is
that brings to life dead misdemeanors and neither does anyone
in that courtroom or on the jury.
This is this is embarrassing.
We have Trey here. So if I if I ask
you to comment and you want to ask him a
question,
you're on deck. As they say
Jesse Watters your thoughts as the they wrap it up
but it prolongs for another long four day weekend.
Average Americans see this case
about sex. This is a he said she said this
is the Democrats trying to criminalize an affair that Trump
may or may not have had 20 years ago.
And Trump says he didn't have an affair.
He says he's being extorted and the American public doesn't
even care if he had the affair or not.
We're now in Bill Clinton territory.
It's about lying about sex.
His numbers went up. We knew Trump was a Playboy
when he ran in 2016.
We put him in the White House.
Now this case is so confusing,
the charges are convoluted. Justice Scalia got rest.
Assault said election law is the hardest law.
He doesn't even understand it.
No one can see inside the courtroom.
No one knows who the lawyers are.
No one knows what the judges look like.
It is very hard for your average news consumer to
wrap their head around this case because even as news
purveyors, we're relying on what's said and observed inside the
courtroom.
Janine is lucky enough to go in court.
Trey is lucky enough. They get to experience the color.
We're just all kind of grasping at straws.
You look at Fox, it says,
Oh well, Michael Cohen is a liar and Michael Cohen
is a thief.
And then you turn on MSNBC and they say,
well, lying makes you more believable.
And it's not stealing. You're just rebalancing the bonus that
you thought you were owed.
All right, so now the jury is going to have
six days to what?
My phone has alert. Seven days?
Yeah. I pick up my phone.
I get an alert. Wall Street Journal.
I get an alert. People magazine.
They're going to pick up their phone.
They're going to see, oh,
Trump expands his lead over Joe Biden.
Oh my God, how are they going to
defend against that? They're going to be walking around Manhattan.
They're going to see the New York Post cover,
the New York Times cover.
They're going to be with all their TDs relatives and
friends over Memorial Day weekend.
It's a big mistake, and this whole case has been
a big mistake from the beginning,
and it's 100% political. And to think these jurors can
take politics out of it is absolutely crazy.
I'm trying to be realistic,
Dana. You know, I'm not going to get ahead of
myself and predict something that's not going to happen because
I want it to happen.
I believe this is going to result in a conviction.
And then the minute it hits,
all of the media is going to pump out these
polls that show Trump now losing momentum.
They're going to manufacture a momentum loss and that's how
they're going to try to push this thing forward because
Biden campaigns dead.
You can imagine the editors would tell all of the
reporters
at the at the in the papers you have to
refer to him now as convicted felon and former President
Donald Trump.
You know the jury isn't heading to a monastery.
They're they're returning to the very environment that primed them
for their bias to begin with.
That's intended. They know that sure as hell they're hoping
the impact of of the the implosion of the case
will fade over time.
When they return, you're leaving.
Essentially the jurors left the cesspool of New York City
to the sanitized environment of the courtroom only to return
to the same cesspool.
It's like going from a Port au potty at the
New York City Marathon to A to a sterile operating
room and then returning to the Porta potty.
Why did you go to the courtroom to begin with?
Why did we waste our time?
You're just putting them among their friends,
their relatives, social media, the Tick Tock videos,
everything that will contaminate them will recontaminate.
And you start, your brain starts to work again.
You start to use all the stuff that you heard.
The facts that that Cohen's a a piece of crap
will all go away.
And these media folks, they need to stop and take
a breath and ask themselves what this derangement is doing
to them.
Did Donny Deutsch ever think in his life that he
would put all his trust in a perjurer,
A fraudster, and a thief because he hates Donald Trump?
This is the the Hitler excuse at work.
I've talked about this. If you brand something Hitler,
then your behavior, no matter how abysmal it is,
is excused. This is why nobody
trusts the election system. If they rigged the justice system
crawl into bed with criminals to fight Hitler,
why wouldn't they resort to some kind of heroic malfeasance
when it comes to elections?
Right now they're targeting hundreds of Republican lawyers with legal
action right before an election.
Wow. There's another coincidence. Peter Navarro is still in jail.
They're targeting Trump, obviously. How naive are you to think
that this stuff isn't going to continue and spread into
other avenues of our life?
Want to get to Richard in just a second?
But because you are in the courtroom and you of
your because of your experience,
can you do you want to comment on the jury
having this length of time?
It is really hard for me to understand why the
judge is allowing this much time between the last piece
of evidence.
No more evidence is coming in.
In fact the judge is going to say summation is
not evidence.
So this much time, this much opportunity.
I'm not known for my hopefulness,
Dana, but I I usually think something talismanic happens when
people take an oath.
I I really, I've seen juries do the right thing
too many times.
I I just think the more time that passes the
more temptation there is to go and and and search
and do your own research.
I would have in South Carolina we would be waiting
on the verdict right now.
We would have already given closing argument.
OK Richard, let's give you the last word.
Sure. Maybe I'm the only person that disagrees here on
this.
You might be. But I actually think he's.
I mean I don't want to make a prediction here
but I think the president,
the former president's going to walk and I'll tell you
I agree with you.
Thank you. Let's listen there's two numbers that there's.
Well there's three numbers that matters here,
712 and two. Now the there's seven days that we're
going to have to wait for them to go back
into court.
Right. There's 12 jurors and I think there's two.
There'll be two weeks since they've heard from Michael from
from Michael Cohen which is this All Star witness for
the prosecution.
The farther and farther they get away from this testimony,
the light, the less like they are to remember it.
The less like they are to they less likely are
to remember.
It. Means they're like, wait,
what did he do again?
Did he really take the money?
Did he really sign it?
Well, maybe he didn't do it.
To Jesses point, this is really complicated,
even though there's two lawyers on this jury.
Maybe he didn't, maybe he didn't.
Can I prove this beyond the shadow of a reasonable
doubt
101% that he did this?
I'm not sure. So guess what?
I'm going to say he didn't do it.
And I think the seven days,
if you listen to the president,
he would say this jury's rigged or that the OR
that the the judge is rigged.
The fact that judge gave them seven days says to
me that this judge is like,
I just want to have a good Memorial Day and
they're going to come back on him.
Sure. But I think if they were closing arguments today,
they will be more likely to get a conviction than
there was seven days for them going home and not
thinking about this case versus the other way around.
The two sides of this agreed with Richard Felder.
Let's let's memorialize this. You know can I say something?
I agree with Trey. You know,
I mean, I really believe the judge that the juries
try to get it right.
I do. I, you know,
as as hard as I can be on some of
these people that I've seen,
I really hope that you're right and that the jury
gets it.
There's two lawyers on this jury.
All right. Like that's a good thing.
Yeah, I said that. I think that was positive.
All right. Trey is going to stick around 'cause there's
much more drama to talk about on the legal scene.