When you say you paid to come up or you
paid your own expenses to testify,
of course, multiple times. I wasn't like
compensated or written a check or anything like that.
I got nothing. And this has cost me so much
money. I wasn't paid by anybody.
We're back to my interview with Stormy Daniels.
I want to let you know that Miss Daniels was
not paid for this interview.
We do not do that under any circumstances.
We also came to learn over the course of preparing
for this interview and reporting out the circumstances into which
we were going to be discussing these matters with her,
we came to learn that she is in fairly dire
financial circumstances because of her confrontation with Trump,
as evidenced by the fact,
evidenced by the fact that she recently asked a friend,
man named Dwayne Crawford, to open an emergency Go Fund
Me campaign to try to pay the attorneys fees that
she has incurred.
And as she tries to hold on to her house
for that part of it,
I'm going to let Miss Daniels here explain.
So the case that in which you just testified was
a criminal case brought by prosecutors.
You were subpoenaed to be there just as a witness.
The the reason that you owe Trump money is a
separate matter.
Your former lawyer, Michael Avenatti,
who is now in prison for defrauding you and other
clients,
brought a defamation suit against Trump by you.
That base was thrown out and Trump was awarded attorneys
fees.
And that totals it's long make to make a Long
story short,
it totals at about $600,000 that you need to pay
Trump,
correct? And
I, I was never allowed to give testimony.
They never saw my evidence.
It was never ruled whether I was telling the truth
or not.
So for all those people that are out there saying
you lost the defamation case because they found that you
to be a liar or untruthful is not true.
They never even looked at the case.
Other side of that is Miss Carroll,
aging Carroll was called the exact same things by Donald
Trump.
And not only did they accept her case and let
her take the stand and let her have her day
in court,
they've given her millions, right?
Meanwhile, my attorneys fees have racked up to over half
$1,000,000.
Do you have any means of paying that?
No, and nor do I think I should.
It's not fair. In terms of what happens next,
Judge Bershawn just lifted the gag order.
So he's still prohibited from attacking court staff and prosecutors
and their families.
But he is now free to
attack jurors and witnesses, which means you
when the gag order was in place,
did you benefit from that at all?
Are you worried about it being lifted?
No. I mean, he's going to say what he's going
to say anyway.
Yeah. The. I'm not afraid of what he could say
about me or what he could call me.
I'm telling the truth. I'm the only one that has
continued to tell the truth.
I can prove everything that I've ever said.
So I'm not concerned about those things he might say.
I'm concerned of him saying
something that will make his followers come after me more.
Has that changed over time?
The character of the way people have to do,
the kind of language, how has it changed over time?
The biggest thing is that they're not hiding.
They used to all be bots.
Oh, you know, now they're using their real stuff.
There's, you know, Facebook threads from people in my own
community
planning to do things to my house and my family.
The
I sent some messages over
when my, when Barrett was on another show
and they couldn't even air everything they said graphic details
about how they were going to rape everybody in my
family,
including my young daughter before they killed them.
Very graphic things talking about a child.
And but most importantly, like
Trump is trying to make,
I believe, trying to make an example out of me
of anybody who dare stand up to him
and he will. That was served again yesterday,
sorry, day before yesterday. And they were trying to take
my partner's house. It has nothing to do with me.
I'm not, he doesn't even own my house.
Technically, it's got a mortgage.
The man owns it. I don't own that house.
I pay him rent every month because I split some
bills with him,
but I don't own it.
My name's not on the title.
I didn't put any money down on this house.
They're trying to take his house.
They're demanding personal information about my 13 year old daughter.
I refuse to fill out that form.
I am there identifying information about her,
yes, where she lives, her legal name,
her date of birth. Like why do you need that
about a child?
So I didn't fill out that part of the form.
I left it blank and they rejected it and sent
it back and are demanding that I be held in
contempt
with, with sanctions and that I have to pay this
money.
I have to pay
$600,000 plus sanctions and be in contempt of court,
which comes with a warrant,
possibly because an arrest warrant.
An arrest warrant because I,
the things I said, which they found him guilty of,
I also have to pay.
And I'm protecting my child.
And you could be the biggest Trump supporter,
a woman voting for Trump.
Love him. Ask that woman.
You're going to vote for Trump.
Yeah. Do you love Trump?
Yeah. How do you feel about him having your,
your young daughter's legal name,
address and identify him information?
Yeah. And no woman out there I can imagine would
give that information up.
They got my address and look how quickly that happens.
You think I'm going to give up
the other address 'cause sometimes she's with me,
obviously, sometimes she's with her father.
Why would I do that?
But that's essentially So there's basically two impasses now in
terms of that,
that money and that definite the the resolution of that
defamation case and you paying the legal fees.
One is you don't have the money to pay,
but two is they want you as part of that
to give over that identifying information about your daughter and
you were.
And even if I had the money,
even if I had billions,
it's not fair. Why do I have to pay it?
And I'm so happy for EG and Carroll,
but like literally the same three sentences like liar,
whack job, like con job or whatever.
She gets over 80 million and it costs me over
600,000. It's going to cost my
partner his house. It's going to cost my daughter her
privacy for the rest of her life.
It's not fair.
I feel like Stormy, the
Trump movement, has destroyed or tried to destroy a lot
of people
for posing a threat to Donald Trump or a challenge
to him.
And there are, as you've been describing,
millions of Americans, if not 10s of millions of Americans,
who have a rooting interest in all of these various
efforts to confront him and expose his behavior and hold
him accountable for crimes or treachery or whatever.
But the rooting interest doesn't help you,
right? Well, more than half the country is rooting for
him being held accountable.
The people who are actually in the middle of these
confrontations are being terrorized and menaced and ruined.
And overall, this system, I just,
I'm sorry, I don't sort of put this to you,
but this is,
I feel like the system is unsustainable unless the real
live human people who are willing to stand up and
be counted and speak the truth against him are themselves
protected. And you could be me.
We could all be me.
Like anybody out there. They're trying to seize property
of people that I care about.
That's not even mine to scare me.
They're trying to ruin my daughter's life before she even
has a chance to live it.
And they're trying to financially ruin me and take money.
I'm because I told the truth
and I shouldn't have to do that.
And I've never asked for help before.
I've been fighting this by myself.
You know, even the people closest to me,
my, you know, my best friends,
my, you know, partners,
everyone else can take a break.
You know, my best friend Dwayne,
that's been my tour manager,
my assistant. He's lived at the most with me.
But even even he gets to take breaks.
He gets to get on a plane and go home
and take his kids and his family to Disneyland and
not think about it.
I am the only person that every single day for
the last six years,
this has bled into my life,
some days worse than others.
Some days I'm picking pellets out of my horse's body
and getting served papers and sobbing because they're trying to,
you know, that I miss because I miss my daughter.
And she's not safe, but she's with me sometimes.
And some days it's just
things I read on the Internet.
But every single day, even you,
I mean, you live this.
You tell the story, even your mate.
So like, there has been moments where you've gotten to
check out,
at least for a minute.
Yeah, I've never had a day like that in over
six years.
Your work life has been severely curtailed by this changed.
You're still you've you've still got some stuff going.
You've been doing comedy events.
I just came back to that last week,
but same thing. The owner of the club got death
threats.
Really. I mean, I'm from New Orleans and it's New
Orleans,
so she didn't care. But like,
how many places are out there that I don't know
about that are afraid to to book me?
Are you going to make enough money to live?
I'm not,
I'm not like it's literally like between legal fees and
not being able to work,
especially because I wasn't working during,
Remember, the trial got pushed.
Yeah. So I had taken off a bunch of time
before
and then it got extended.
So there was several months where I didn't do anything.
I I just stopped doing my podcast because they were
freaking out about everything I said.
I didn't even get to tell the podcast company why
I stopped talking to them because I
didn't want anything. I used to be
enter and just create more work for the prosecution basically,
or I didn't want to be taken off the witness
list for all the reasons I told you earlier.
You know, there's so many things
and people being just afraid to hire me.
Luckily, I do have some really great people.
You know, I I hosted the TV show and out
TV
and I'm starting to go back and and do some
stand up comedy and things like that.
And
but
I've lost a lot more than I've made
mostly my piece, mostly my daughter's privacy and time,
time I'll never get back with her.
Given that, are you worried about Trump potentially being elected
to a second term?
Certainly I'll be worried about that.
Are you worried about it particularly for you?
Yes. Why?
Because I think that
he will make try to make even more of an
example out of me.
You'll you know,
and also because people, his followers will probably be more
even more
bold thinking if they do something,
he'll pardon them.
In terms of his own criminal liability,
He's due to be sentenced very soon.
You said shortly after the verdict
that you thought he should be sentenced to jail and
community service working for the less fortunate
or quote, being the volunteer punching bag at a women
shelter.
You still feel that way?
You still think that I mean,
money is no object to him
for somebody else, you know,
take fining them a bunch of money could definitely teach
them a lesson.
In his case, his supporters just go throw it at
him.
And we're talking about a man who got convicted of
34,
you know, and and they in one night.
How much was it like $100 million or something was
given to him when he was found guilty,
which I could be found guilty,
you know, like it's finding him is not going to
do any good.
I think, you know, taking away his
control slash, which is freedom
by a, a jail sentence,
if that's what fits it would teach him the most
because he's so used to
being in control. It's not about locking him out and
taking him away.
His he's not taking away his control
would be more helpful in this case,
I think, and
making him do some community service,
especially with those people that he looks down upon so
much.